What would happen if no men showed up for work today?

Yesterday’s post got me thinking about what would happen if no men showed up to work today.  For certain, the trains would stop running.  But before we get into that, I want to tell you a bit about how I came to be – how I came to think the way I do.

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I credit my father, first and foremost.  My father failed in so many ways, but one thing he did perfectly was provide. He could coax food out of the barest patch of earth; he could collect a swarm of wild bees and turn them into gallons and gallons of honey; he could take a bush and make it flower; he could take a cow or a goat or a chicken and make the foolish creature love him.  My childhood was blighted by religious-based violence centered on the concept of breaking a child’s will so they might better accept the will of God, but that is not the reason I am atheist.  If God had been presented to me in a better light, someone who wasn’t keen on beating children unconscious, I still don’t believe I would be one of the faithful.  God makes no rational sense to me.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/06/16/first-i-feared-him-then-i-loathed-him-then-i-forgave-him-and-now-i-take-care-of-him-the-story-of-my-father-and-me/

And if I am one thing, it is rational.

What my father did was instill indelibly in my mind that his role was to provide.  I never thought of that in terms of love.  Only in terms of material goods, which amounted to food and shelter and clothing in our sparse, dirt farm existence, and my Dad was a genius at providing those things.  My mother and I turned the goods of his labor into “value-added” products, to be certain, but we would have had no flour to mill, no butter to churn, no eggs to collect, no firewood to burn, no cookies and cakes and breads and loaves to sell without him.

My most basic understanding of men is that they keep you from starving or freezing to death.

My three brothers played a key role in that they made me appreciate my chores were so much easier.  At no point would I have ever traded churning butter or kneading bread with pitching out stalls or baling hay.

chores

From my brothers I learned that men do the hard, shitty work, and tedious is nothing compared to physically brutal.

My husband’s grandmother played a curiously central role in who I am, too.  The Queen was the sort of woman who showed up for Sunday dinner dressed in elegant suits with her hair perfectly coiffed and pantyhose and heels and lipstick exquisitely applied, and I really, honestly, expected her to hate me with my worn denims and flannel shirts and practical flat shoes and penchant for the saltier forms of the English language.

old woman

But she didn’t.

While Mr. JB and I were still dating, she gave me two pieces of advice that are with me to this day.

Friends of the family were expecting and everyone was all excitement and anticipation, which is utterly lovely.  A discussion about the mother and working and how to get the baby sleeping through the corporate night ensued, and the Queen blessed me with two morsels of wisdom.

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On the subject of maternal guilt, she said, “People hardly ever feel guilty about doing the right thing, now do they?  Let guilt be your compass, letting know you are headed in the wrong direction”.

And gazing upon a sturdy tome of Popular Childcare Manual, she said, “Honey, the baby IS the book.  If 50 000 years of evolution isn’t good enough for you, then I don’t know what is.  You do what the baby tells you to do and you can’t go wrong. It’s important to have an open mind about scientific advances, but not so open your brains fall out onto the sidewalk.”

The Queen passed away before our first child was born, and I will never forget the look on her face when we left her in the hospital, after a devastating stroke left her immobile and incommunicative. She was tied to a bed with her hair dishevelled, wearing one of those awful gaping hospital robes, and the look in her eyes was so very clear:

No.  Please no.  Please kill me.  I do not want to live like this.

And I knew then I loved her.  The Queen was gone, although her body was present.  I would have killed her, had the law permitted it.

Obviously, I didn’t.

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It made me realize that even though the Dowager, the Queen’s Daughter and Mr.JB’s mother has been no peach to deal with, I will never let her spend her last years in a home with messy hair and crinkled clothes.  I won’t kill her, obviously, but she will spend her last moments looking like herself, surrounded by the people she loves and no “career” in the world will make her comfort and care irrelevant to me.

love

And obviously, the same goes for Mr. JB’s father, and my own.  They will end their days in the company of those they nurtured into love, no matter how clumsily they effected the emotion.

Mr. JB’s mother and grandmother made me realize that the single most important thing I can contribute to the world is love.  If every family made loving one another a priority, then the bonds of family would become the single most important “wealth” we can pursue.  It used to be that way.  It can be that way again. But families aren’t families without men.

And that is where we have gone off the rails.

The birth of my own son is what brought that home to me forcefully.  Our first child was a fearful, cautious child by nature.  She was born clinging to me and it took more than a year before she stopped freaking out every time the phone rang. Her baby brain took any sudden sound to mean the world was surely coming to an end, and she responded appropriately:  by screaming her head off.

LittleDude is so totally different.  He was born calm and curious and totally open to anything the world had to throw at him.  It took a long time before Pinky would let Grandma hold her for any length of time, but LittleDude was happy as long as there were warm arms around him.

toddler

As a toddler, he would go up to any man in the park, and ask to be picked up when he got tired.

“Daddy, pick me up”.  He called them all “Daddy”.

I used to joke with my husband that I was the “single mom whose kid got no male attention” at the park, because LittleDude just loved men and he showed no fear of them whatsoever. He would happily snuggle up with the homeless guy with the puppy, which forced me to confront some uncomfortable truths.

I would try to coax LittleDude away from these men, who never behaved in any manner that alarmed me, other than simply being men.  Who were they?  I don’t know.  War vets.  Chronic alcoholics. Men whom society had discarded, and the confusion I could see in my son’s face when I would try to pull him away made me examine where I was getting my ideas from.

I’ve never been the hysterical “someone is gonna kidnap my child” sort of person.  That happens so rarely, it’s not a rational belief.  It would make more sense to worry that he might be struck by lightning or swept away by a tornado.  I was afraid of those men because they were men.

And I didn’t want my son to grow up thinking that men are something bad.  I lived through parental alienation and had the poison of feminist inspired man-hate poured into my soul every day, thanks to my mother, and I refused to let her anger and bitterness and venom affect my own life.

So that is how I began.

Commenters have often mentioned that if men didn’t show up for work one day, the entire world would screech to a halt, and today, using data from the US Department of Labor, I want to take a look at just how true that is.  Hearing about “male privilege” is so common in the media, but what is hardly ever mentioned is just how many of our own privileges are a direct result of the work that men do.

Perhaps the reason men have historically had the privileges they do is because they EARN THEM BY MAKING OUR LIFE POSSIBLE?

Just a thought.

And in the same breath, women have historically had the privileges they have because they CREATE LIFE.

Modern, feminist inspired liberal democracy has destroyed women’s role, by and large, with plunging birth rates across the developed world, but they CANNOT destroy men’s traditional work, or we all perish.  What they want is for men to do the work silently.  With no acknowledgement.  For no reward.

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There’s a word for that:  slavery.

Let’s see what happens when the slaves revolt, shall we?

All information taken from Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department of Labor, 2013, except where noted.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

First up, the entire power grid is down. 100% of power plant operators, distributors, and dispatchers are men. Now, it’s possible that there are a few women working in these occupations, but however many there are, they do not make up even 1% of the total workforce, so statistically, 100% of the workforce is male.

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91% of the nation’s electrical engineers are men, and if they don’t show up for work, there is no one to monitor and manage the nation’s electrical supplies.  Assuming some automation (designed by men, naturally) kicks in for the day, we had all better pray there are no problems.  97.6% of electrical power line installers and maintenance workers are men.

Lights out, ladies and gentlemen.

Don’t bother turning on your taps, either. Or flushing your toilets.  95.5% of water and liquid waste treatment plant and system operators are men.

Think you might be able to get out of town for the one day the men don’t show up?

Think again.

Planes are out.

95.9% of aircraft pilots and flight engineers are men.  If you happen to find a plane with a female pilot, don’t get too excited.  98.4% of aircraft mechanics and service technicians are men.  You can, however, be assured of your comfort as you sit on a pilotless aircraft that has no mechanic for pre-flight clearance, because 77.6% of flight attendants are female.

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Should you be lucky enough to find a female pilot and a female technician to clear you for take-off, you still have some praying to do.  Statistically, 0% of airtraffic controllers and airfield operations specialists are women.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

Of course, that doesn’t mean there are ZERO ladies working in air traffic control.  There just aren’t enough to constitute even 1% of the workforce.

Trains, of course, are also out.

100% of locomotive engineers and operators are men, as are 100% of the workers who operate railroad brake, signals and switches.  94.4% of railway yardmasters are men, but if you chance upon a female yardmaster, it won’t help you much.  She can’t operate the trains.

You might have better luck with bus drivers, almost half of whom are women.

But the streets are likely to be chaos. And there won’t be anyone on hand to help you navigate that.

police

87.4% of police and sheriff’s patrol officers are men.  96.6% of firefighters are men. 68.8% of Emergency Medical Technicians and Paramedics are men, so if it all goes tits up and you get hurt, there’s a small chance you might make it to a hospital.

I hope you don’t get too badly hurt, though.  65.7% of all surgeons are men.

Maybe you should just work from home? In the dark, mind you.  With no running water.

Uh-oh.  Looks like that might be a problem, too.

For all computer and mathematical occupations combined, 74.4% of the workforce is male.  Computer network architects, who design and implement all our computer based communications systems are 91.9% men.  And 94.2% of radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repair technicians are men.

Looks like that plan is fucked.

Hope it doesn’t get too hot, or too cold the day men don’t show up for work.  Even if you had power, which you don’t, you would be hard-pressed to get anyone in to take a look at your wonky air-conditioner or furnace.

repair

98.4% of heating, air-conditioning and refrigeration mechanics and installers are men.

Oh well.  Guess you’ll have to mosey on down to the local café, which has no power either, but what’s logic and consequence anyways?  Be careful when you step over all that accumulating garbage!  Remember that most EMTs are men, and they’ve taken the day off.  Don’t want to get hurt now.

garbage

Most garbage collectors are men, too.  93.4%, to be exact.

You’ll need to stop at the bank first, for a little cash injection.

Oops. Don’t bother.

atm

The machine hasn’t been filled with money today. 81.5% of security guards and gaming surveillance officers are men.  It’s unlikely the banks would be functioning anyways, with no men at work.  72.1% of all securities, commodities and financial services sales agents are men.  72.6% of the nation’s CEOs would be taking the day off, along with 70.9% of all the general and operations managers.

Don’t count on getting a weather report today.  Statistically, 0% of the nation’s atmospheric and space scientists are women.

Actually, don’t plan on acquiring pretty much anything today. The workers in the entire production, transportation and material moving occupations are 78.2% men. Not only will no goods be moving on the day men go on strike, they won’t be made, period.  82.4% of all the industrial production managers are men.

miners

Nothing will be built or extracted from the earth in terms of raw materials.  97.5% of that workforce is male.

Nothing will be installed, maintained or repaired.  96.8% of that workforce is male.

If men took a collective day off, we would instantly be without power, without the means to communicate, without protection, without water, without trucks bringing us the food and products we take for granted, because men are the ones who provide all those things.

Where in our culture do we EVER see that acknowledged?  If women took the day off, with the sole exception of NURSES, nothing would happen.  No one would die.  The world would continue to function. The hair salons and primary schools and retail clothing stores would close, and the male management structure would have to find some way to answer their own phones for a day, but essentially, nothing would happen.

You will often hear feminists barking on about male privilege, usually in a well-lit room, comfortably warm, with her iPhone close at hand, buzzing with updates from her latest #mensuck Twitter feed, with zero awareness that every single one of those luxuries is provided by men.

male priv

Male privilege is the idea that men have unearned social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are granted to them solely on the basis of their sex, and which are usually denied to women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege

Unearned.

UNEARNED?!?

The Department of Labor says otherwise, bitch. It is women who have failed to earn their privileges.  We live in a world powered and created and maintained by men, and yet feminists have created a whole philosophy and ideology that insists women and men are equal.

We are not equal.

We do not need to be equal.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/02/05/the-genius-of-women-or-the-capacity-to-love-others-more-than-you-love-yourself/

We can’t be equal.

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What we can be is grateful.

And we can pray men never, ever take a day off.

Lots of love,

JB

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  • http://chefyc.wordpress.com chefyc

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  • http://twitter.com/rnikoley Richard Nikoley (@rnikoley)

    Uh, oh. JB is going Atlas Shrugged on our asses. This is a constant theme in Paglia, too.

    Keep up the good work, bitch. :)

  • http://www.southernmanblog.com Southern Man

    An uncle of mine who I adored (much to the chagrin of the women of the family, including his wife) used to say “If all of the women quit their jobs, we’re inconvenienced for a while. If the men quit, we starve to death in the freezing dark.” I’m beginning to see the truth in that in spite of a lifetime of feminist indoctrination.

    • B

      Amen to that.

  • http://poisonedwell.wordpress.com genderneutrallanguage

    LOL I think one day strikes are pointless for the most part, but this is one I would participate in.

    • patriarchal landmine

      the point is, even after only a day without men, people would start dying.

      men are the backbone of civilization.

      • http://poisonedwell.wordpress.com genderneutrallanguage

        The value in strikes isn’t to prove that labor is organized, but to prove that the workers don’t NEED the jobs. That the workers do have other options that will leave the business owner destitute. For most jobs in most industries this can’t be done in one day, it takes weeks or months of no production to convince the owners that their factories make more money paying a high wage/safer conditions/weekends off than siting idle. If all men took the day off, I don’t think it would take a full day for this message to be understood. No power no plains no trains no food. It would be minents of a man strike to have the feminists begging us to go back to work. Misandric laws would change in an hour.

  • http://judgybitch.com Take The Red Pill

    A DAY???? One lousy, stinkin’ day?

    I would like us men to take 5 DAYS (one work week) “off”, just as a start — to show what can happen.

    At the end of that 5 days, we can start talking about these ‘equality’ laws that discriminate against men, and the biased “Family” courts.

    If we have problems, we can do it again and make it 2 weeks.

    • Alex

      that would be for the more hardcore feminists. everyone else would get the damn message in a day

    • http://gravatar.com/karientwife karientwife

      You are fantastic. I check every day to see if you’ve written anything new, and this one blows my mind a wee bit….. I just wish I was brave enough to share it on my FB wall. I’m working up the courage though, posting little things here and there, making comments that piss people off….my feminist friends (which, sadly, are all of them) are getting very suspicious ;)….anyway, I love you JB, and the red pill goes down sweet. Off to make my permissive, generous, 100% dependable husband a sammich.

    • feeriker

      Five days, hell – a walk-out of at least a month would be needed to fully drive the point home.

    • http://poisonedwell.wordpress.com genderneutrallanguage

      LOL It wouldn’t take a full day let alone 5. I doubt it would take an hour let alone 5 hours of men doing nothing for the world to collapse.

  • freetofish

    Due to the redundancies men have built into critical systems, we would have to strike for maybe a week for everything to really go in the shitter.

    Which is fine. I could use a nice week off polishing my privilege as it were….
    .

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    “Commenters have often mentioned that if men didn’t show up for work one day, the entire world would screech to a halt…”

    This has been my line for years. Specifically, the ones that ask “are men necessary?” are the first ones to scream “WHERE ARE THE MEN????” as soon as the storm hits and the power goes out. As I’ve also said before, there are no feminists during hurricanes.

  • John C

    Fair enough, but if women take the day off, who will feed, clothe, and look after the babies and children while the men are at work?

    • http://aneroidocean.wordpress.com aneroidocean

      If the women are working, there’s already a nanny or a school or a day care that takes care of the kids while the women are at work. Nice try!

      • http://www.notboutthing.blogspot.com Goober

        Uhhh, a day without women would specifically preclude there being nannies or daycare, wouldn’t it? Unless you found a male nanny, which is kind of like finding a rainbow unicorn.

        You, sir, are the one who gave it a nice try. But nice try, anyway…

        • Rainbow Unicorn

          Hi! I’m a male nanny!

          • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

            Lol!

          • Goober

            You win the internet today….. lol

        • RahRah

          Hey, I have a “manny” and he’s awesome!

    • Oscar Calme

      Speaking as a single Dad I would say simply, “men you idiot” but I think your question was rhetorical

      • Spaniard

        How it comes that exists such a thing as a “single dad”?

        • Oscar Calme

          Mother was an incompetent alcoholic binge drinker that I spent a fotune on lawyer and court fees in the governments 18 month fully funded support of her incompetence. I call it taking care of my responsibilities.

          Spaniard your last comment is pretty misogynisitic. Can I ask you to dial it back a bit as you may be quoted and there is no point in giving the idiots ammunition.

          • Spaniard

            Just joking, Oscar.

          • Oscar Calme

            OK

    • earl

      A Man would create a business employed by men to take care of those needs.

  • http://aneroidocean.wordpress.com aneroidocean

    You know what the worst part about it is, JB? All we want in return is for women to maintain their femininity and consider giving us a shot at creating a life we can enjoy in our limited offtime.

    I’ve always wondered why women complained that being a stay at home is a full time job. Sure it’s a full time job, if it’s not you’re failing your kids. However, is it a really hard full time job? At times sure, but generally? No, not really. It just needs to be done on a consistent basis. The worst part is stay at home women who are upset that their man would like the groceries to be bought, some meals made, and the laundry and the house cleaned. That’s a part time job at best if you put your mind to it.

    I’d love to work part time at home!

    • SuperAwesomeGuy

      Bill Burr has a bit on this exact thing. It’s hilarious.

      • earl

        Being a mother compared to working in a coal mine. Sign me up to be a mother!

  • Swithunus

    Ironic, really, that I dream of the feminists taking a furking day off. 24 hours of blissful lack of bitching about patriarchy, rape culture, 77cents, 1 in 4 bullshit…

  • http://www.notboutthing.blogspot.com Goober

    You really don’t need to list occupations to see if men dominate them because it’s a waste of time. All you need to do is look at a job, and apply a test to see if it is male dominated or female dominated:

    Is it productive, risky, stressful, physically demanding, require some technical proficiency, or essential? If the answer is yes to any of those things, men do it.

    If not, then women probably do it.

    All of the productive, essential trades and vocations are things that most women would either not want to do, or would be incapable/less than optimal at doing. You name it, and if it is productive, tip-of-the-spear type work, men do it.

    Women generally fill out the support roles for the male, tip-of-the-spear types. Without the women I work with, I’d be less productive, sure, but I’d still get my job done. Without me, they wouldn’t even have a reason to come into work, and that is just the way it is. And that’s the point I’m about to make…

    There is nothing shameful about this. It is just men and women falling into their evolutionarily desired roles – men doing the providing, women supporting men in their efforts, as well as raising babies. There is nothing offensive about this, either. If you’re biologically optimized to fulfill a role, no matter how much you hate that, it is still the truth, and it will be reflected in the choices people make.

    We’ve had 50 years now of essentially free choice for women to do whatever they want, and they still choose support roles over tip-of-the-spear type work. Feminists lament this. I look at it and say “well, DUUUUHHH!”

    I honestly can’t figure out why this is so hard for people to understand. Both genders are absolutely, positively necessary. A day without women would likewise be a catastrophe, but for different reasons – without the support at home, taking care of the kids (whether they’re in daycare or not, they are being watched by a woman!) men would have to stay home to watch their brood, and wouldn’t be able to go into work. Day without women = day without men (or without a bunch of them).

    We need each other to make this work. We can’t do it alone. Anyone that doesn’t understand that is a fucking toolbag, and I’m just sick of the toolbags on both sides not being able to wrap their minds around this.

    • http://healthgarthr.wordpress.com karientwife

      “We need each other to make this work. We can’t do it alone. Anyone that doesn’t understand that is a fucking toolbag, and I’m just sick of the toolbags on both sides not being able to wrap their minds around this.”

      Yes! That bears repeating, Sir(or Madam)!

    • Spaniard

      MGTOW is never going to be very succesful in my country.

      Take a young Spanish man. Award him about of all the dangers of marrying and breeding a modern Spanish woman. Paint the picture like Hell (no need to exagerate so much) and…

      And this guy will find -at last!-a woman, who, by the way, as usual, is a total cunt. And he knows she is a total cunt (she does not hide her true colors in any moment. Women do not in Spain. maybe in States), and this cunt is not even attractive… Maybe crow faced and a chain smoker.
      Well, so this guy will deal with the situation, will behave “like a man” and will breed to death with the cunt.
      So, this poor soul will rationalize: “I am so unhappy, I am just a working drone for the rest of my life to feed this cunt who treats me lower than dirt and her (our) children… I am a beaten dog… BUT I AM MARRIED AND HAVE A FAMILY! I AM VERY FORTUNATE AND RESPECTABLE PART OF SOCIETY”.

      • feeriker

        MGTOW is never going to be very succesful in my country.

        Take a young Spanish man. Award him about of all the dangers of marrying and breeding a modern Spanish woman. Paint the picture like Hell (no need to exagerate so much) and…

        And this guy will find -at last!-a woman, who, by the way, as usual, is a total cunt. And he knows she is a total cunt (she does not hide her true colors in any moment. Women do not in Spain. maybe in States), and this cunt is not even attractive… Maybe crow faced and a chain smoker.
        Well, so this guy will deal with the situation, will behave “like a man” and will breed to death with the cunt.
        So, this poor soul will rationalize: “I am so unhappy, I am just a working drone for the rest of my life to feed this cunt who treats me lower than dirt and her (our) children… I am a beaten dog… BUT I AM MARRIED AND HAVE A FAMILY! I AM VERY FORTUNATE AND RESPECTABLE PART OF SOCIETY”.

        Now that I stop to think about it, that’s pretty much what most men in the rest of the western world (if not the entire world) do. They KNOW that establishing a LTR with a woman –ANY woman– is a game of Russian Roulette, only with three bullets in the cylinder instead of one. They KNOW that the odds of them finding anything other than an angry, entitled, narcissistic cunt are somewhere around zero or slightly below. They KNOW that there’s a fifty percenty chance –a fucking COIN TOSS– that they’re going to wind up divorced, broke, homeless, and robbed of any children they’re foolish enough to bring into the world within ten years of marrying the aforementioned cunt they settle for.

        And yet they take the plunge. They’re biologically programmed to do it, despite the insane level of risk involved. The analogy of the male black widow spider comes to mind (he’s decapitated and devoured by his mate after he copulates with her and procreates).

        MGTOW goes completely against a man’s biological hardwiring, and thus against nature itself, and yet record numbers of men are doing it and their numbers are increasing.

        Think about it: if record numbers of men are now consciously fighting their biological programming, at the cost of their emotional (and often physical) health, what does that say about the forces and conditions motivating them to do so?

        Going back to your own example, if relations between the sexes in Spain deteriorate to the point that the have in most of the rest of the developed world and continue down the same path, Spanish MGTOWs will become just as common as their counterparts elsewhere. Everyone has a limit to what they’ll tolerate.

      • https://plus.google.com/107201150570147926009 Vicente Pelechano Servando

        Hardly. I am Spanish, and from the Canary Islands on top of that, while I don’t see many Andalusians GTOW, in the Canarias it is growing steadly. Same with the Basques, and overall MGTOW philosophy happens to be more accepted for men here that it was for men in the UK when I lived there.

        Fortunately for women in Spain, there is a lot of inmigration coming up, so they have some third world sods in need of nationalization and who think comittment in European countries means the same than it does in theirs, that works fine for us, it means that the bachelor tax would be delayed here.

  • Oscar Calme

    JB,

    earlier there was an allusion to Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged. Do you have any opinions on the MGTOW phenomenon?

    This could be construed as men gradually withdrawing their labour and there seems to be enough men working out that if they don’t want children they can live for very little without a woman. They thus do not have to strive so much to produce the surplus on which society depends. At its simplest consider tax as a surplus (in the UK men pay 72% of the income tax). The next question is why do they want to get up at six in the morning to keep the electricity supplies running if they have no need for much. They can work low skill, low stress jobs in preference.

    As for needing each other to make this work I am not so sure. Consider a guy who has been through divorce or has seen enough men who have gone through divorce and chooses to absent himself from the need to procreate through to another generation. What skin does he have in the game of perpetuating society?

    I am sure that you are familiar with the rhetoric of MGTOW and herbivores and was wondering if you or any of the other commenters had views on this.

    Thanks for listening and keep up the good work.

    • http://www.notboutthing.blogspot.com Goober

      Oscar;

      I was speaking on a more broad scale than you were when I said that we need each other, men and women.

      What you describe as MGTOW will only work on the individual level, and is a response to a perceived imbalance in the status of male/female relationships caused by unfair social and legal conditions being placed on those relationships which unduly burden men. It is a perfectly rational and understandable response for an individual to deploy, given current conditions on the ground, under a few conditions:

      1. The man in question does not desire children (or any more children);
      2. The man in question does not necessarily desire large accumulations in material wealth (or any more wealth).

      Under those conditions, and ONLY under those conditions, it works well.

      On a more broad scale, however (and the scale at which I was discussing the issue) MGTOW is suicide to the human species and to human progress. Granted, it is merely a response to the even MORE suicidal neo-feminist movement, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is not a sustainable condition if the species is going to survive. Therefore, my statement that we “need” each other, because if we are going to survive and properly raise children, as we’re sort of biologically hard wired to want to do, we need each other to do it right.

      This is why I think feminism is such poison to our species. It is driving away men from the biological imperative of reproduction because of the imbalances in responsibility; ie, the man must hold up 100% of HIS responsibilities while the woman has none; and as long as that drives movements like MGTOW to increased popularity, and continues to destroy men who don’t adhere to MGTOW, it is continuing to destroy humanity.

      So it needs to die in a fire. And we need to get back into a mindset where men and women are complimentary to each other, not adversarial. In order for humanity to BE, we must discover that we NEED each other, once more. The only way that’s going to happen is “feminists first” meaning we have to discredit them and make sure the next generation of youngsters don’t buy into their poison.

      In the mean time, you MGTOW if you want. I’m not going to let a bit of adversity stop me from chasing my dream. If I falter and fail, and am destroyed by an unfair court system, so be it.

      • feeriker

        And we need to get back into a mindset where men and women are complimentary to each other, not adversarial. In order for humanity to BE, we must discover that we NEED each other, once more. The only way that’s going to happen is “feminists first” meaning we have to discredit them and make sure the next generation of youngsters don’t buy into their poison.

        The only way that what you advocate is ever going to happen is as the aftermath of full socioeconomic collapse, on a truly epic and devastating level. Feminism is NOT going to yield voluntarily (in fact, the more threatened they feel, the more the feminists will “double down” on the current misandric status quo). This means that only when the immutable socioeconomic laws that build and sustain an advanced society (i.e., reality) reassert themselves (and they absolutely will) will any progress be made. Until that happens, we all need to stand by for more pain and strife.

      • Oscar Calme

        Hi Goober. Thanks for your reply, I appreciate you taking the time to answer in detail. Sorry about the delay in reply but I am in the UK. Your reasons for the phenomenon are spot on and need no further discussion and your distaste for feminism has been shared for 20 years or more although I did not know how to verbalise it.

        There are a few points I would like to make for further discussion. MGTOW was originally an observation of what actions men were beginning to take in view of the social and legal reduction of their status in society. The best way to view the phenomenon is as a diverse group of individuals arriving at the same conclusion and/or actions without any centralised direction. In this way it is each individuals choice and, I would suggest, is not a movement but a mass action.

        May I suggest that your two conditions:

        1. The man in question does not desire children (or any more children);
        2. The man in question does not necessarily desire large accumulations in material wealth (or any more wealth).

        are common amongst a lot of men.

        1. How many men really want to have children as a major goal in life?
        2. I perceive that in this economy/culture we are currently in that many men are questioning the value of striving for surplus wealth so that some of this can be contributed to others such as bureaucrats and single mothers. My perception is that this is becoming widespread amongst the mid 30’s and below generation who are not striving in the trades, professions or at university.

        As for species survival why would that be any man’s concern. We live in a world where every females individual rights trump all other rights. In the face of this the limiting factor in the survival of the species is the female and there is nothing I can say or do as an individual that can address this. I think that women will need to come back to the negotiating table to establish a new social contract which includes benefits for men before this can be addressed. Thus being a practical man I cannot concern myself too much with the survival of the species or this culture that treats me like dirt until I am needed. Unfortunately, when the call from the culture next comes I will put up a sign saying gone fishing.

        To explain my position I was a single father raising my son from the age of three. Partly due to experiencing societal attitudes to this and subsequent wider observation I had effectively gone Galt before I knew what MGTOW was nor had I read Ayn Rand although she was on the reading list. When I ‘found’ this corner of the internet I was living on a relatively small amount, with no debt and all the time in the world to do what I wanted. If I can come to these conclusions other men can and I would contend that they are.

        Many thanks Goober and I am looking forward to your reply is you have time. Can I just say that I hope your quest in life is successful and fruitful if that is what you want

        Can I ask anyone further as per my original post if this a practical form of men going on strike that JB discusses in her OP?

        • http://www.notboutthing.blogspot.com Goober

          Oscar – again, I think we are talking in different scopes. You are talking about MGTOW at an individual level, and I am talking about it on the society/species/existence level. On the individual level, it’s very beneficial. On the species level, it is the end of the world as we know it.

          I also don’t want you to think that in saying the MGTOW is destructive to the human condition that I’m blaming the MGTOWs, themselves, for this. They are merely reacting rationally to the conditions that they are faced with, and I can’t blame them for doing so. What I advocate is changing the conditions that are causing MGTOW. The only way we can do this is to change nearly everything about how our culture views male/female relationships

          Our pop culture, our education system, our baseline “ways of doing things” – all of these things have become “anti-male” in the sense that they push for this responsibility free environment for women while still ensuring that men are still 100% responsible for their end of things. MGTOW’s response to that is to say “fuck it, if you aren’t going to hold up your end, I’m not holding up my end, either.”

          So now you have both sides, neither of whom are holding up their end of the responsibilities of maintaining a functioning society, and guess what happens next?

          The whole fucking mess comes tumbling down, that’s what.

          That’s the point I’m trying to make. And I’m NOT blaming MGTOW for it, but it’s where we’re heading if we can’t figure out a way to stop the conditions that are causing MGTOW to be a thing.

          As for my responsibilities – I’ve never felt that I have any responsibility for anyone other than my family or myself, but it’s always been funny to me that in upholding my responsibility to them, I always seem to be providing valuable services to others in the process. I like getting my paycheck for building things, because it helps me support my family. It just so happens that the people that I build things for also benefit from my efforts. That’s how it’s supposed to work – everyone acting “selfishly” for their own benefit, but finding that benefit by also benefitting others. Mechanics don’t work on cars out of a sense of altruism. They do it for their paycheck. But in the process of earning that paycheck, they help people keep their cars on the road.

          Where feminism went off the rails is thinking that men owed them this without ever reciprocating, and that’s where MGTOW comes in. And just listen to them talking about MGTOWs, when they even have the balls to bring it up. Well, all I’m going to say is “when you’re taking flak, it just means you’re over the target.”

          And to your question as to how many men really desire children and all that, I don’t know, but I know I did, and still do. Being a Dad is the best thing that has ever happened to me, hands down. I feel sorry for men who can’t, or won’t, experience that for whatever reason. But I know I’m not the same as all other men, and I understand that some men don’t see it the way I do…

    • Tunga

      Hi Oscar

      I live a MGTOW lifestyle, I’m not willing to risk what little I have and my own happiness on a gamble with big odds of failure and with rewards that do not seem commensurate with the consequences of failure. I just wanted to get that out of the way.

      Your reply, specifically your third paragraph implies (at least to me) that MGTOW men care only about themselves. I’m not going to speak for everyone but I don’t think your conclusion holds water. MGTOW refers to making a decision that effects one type of relationship, not all the relationships in the life of a MGTOW. MGTOWs have families, have friends. The decision to limit liability in one facet of life doesn’t stop you from caring about everyone else. You seem to imply that you can only care about society, and about other people if you know the joys of being a parent. That you would only care about the future of humanity if at least one copy of your genes is going to be running around in that future. I have to strongly disagree with that sentiment on my own behalf. I love my friends, I care deeply for many people, both men and women, some of whom I’ve never even met in person. I enjoy helping others even those who aren’t related to me. Just because I am not willing to risk or give up my freedom and livelihood to help someone else doesn’t make me selfish, it makes me practical. I do what I can do to help others while limiting that help so that I am not permanently prevented from helping others in the future.

      I’d gladly help someone I know, even someone I don’t know because there is joy in helping others. But it’s those little changes and sacrifices made by many many people that are going to effect change in our society and the future of the species, not the perhaps noble ultimate sacrifices of the few. I want a brighter, happier future for everyone regardless if I have children in that future or not.

      Not to mention there is a significant argument to be made that choosing not to procreate and put additional population pressure on our society and planet is an altruistic sacrifice in itself.

      • Oscar Calme

        Hi Tunga, have just replied to Goober above and our posts crossed. I think that your reply above is meant for Goober although it is addressed to me.

        I understand both of your points. Goober seems to view the future as his responsibility in the form of children and you don’t. As I point out in my ‘dissertation’ I don’t think the future of the species is at risk but I do think the future of the western democracies is at risk. Maybe it should be.

        I can understand and appreciate your point about helping people but | am afraid that I cannot agree with you completely. Many times I have tried to help and have been disregarded (acceptable), denigrated (mostly by women) and have had colleagues stabbed on one occasion. I would help people that I knew or was reasonably sure would benefit from the help but not a stranger except in the most marginal way.

        Can I ask you if you think that MGTOW is mens collective answer to JB’s view about men being on strike for a day. At some point if this continues then there will start to be failures in society and the economy thus provoking the same response JB is suggesting.

        Furhter, how did you come to the MGTOW decision>

        Many thanks Tunga

        • A woman

          Hi Oscar and Tunga!

          I just learned about MGTOW from your comments and research on the internet.

          But I don’t think I get it.

          You don’t want to be with woman at all because they limit your freedom? Because you’ve been through a hard time, etc?

          Not every woman is mean, selfish and a monster.

          Maybe you just got the wrong one? Yes, there are some unpleasant woman amongst us, but not all men are angels either…

          Isn’t it desirable to come home to your loved one (man or woman) after work? To feel someone cares for you? And having a partner doesn’t always mean to give up your freedom – and if, it’s the wrong one.

          If I got it right those are the reasons why you choose MGTOW?

          But than again, isn’t it like staying unemployed after a bad job? I hated my last job. It destroyed me and therefore nearly my relationship. I could now join EGTOW (Employees go there own way) to strike against unacceptable working conditions and just stay unemployed.

          I guess that would be unacceptable for you. And so it is for me. I got up and found another one – a better one. I understand that you hated the way you’ve been treated in a relationship, but life goes on. Life sucks sometimes – accept it and move on.

          I would love to hear your opinion. Maybe I got you all wrong, but I really want to understand.

          Thanks! Have a great day!

          • Oscar Calme

            Goober, I could say that we should agree to disagree but we are not disagreeing. I think that one point of divergence rather than contention is that men have a responsibility to further the species. This is a matter of choice for each individual man to make and we agree that some men are walking away. We agree that each man has the right to decide his path free of gender roles and I think you agree also free of societal obligations.

            I would disagree that if all men in the developed world went MGTOW the species would not die but would morph into something else. I would put money on the species continuing as Moslem or Hindu patriarchically based cultures but that is another demographic argument.

            Got to say Goober that I have disclosed elsewhere that I was a single Dad so have had the parental experience and while it was hard I think of raising my son as the best thing I ever could do or ever will do. Earlier in my life I was very marriage minded and maintained a family home while bringing my son up when a two bedroom flat would have been enough. I never found a woman with whom I wanted more of a family. Now in full maturity and rationally considering my options I really do not want any relationship with a woman other than of the most superficial kind.

            I agree with your point that the whole thing comes tumbling down but it is sad that it will have to come to this before anyone get their skates on to fix the problem.

            “just listen to them talking about MGTOWs, when they even have the balls to bring it up. Well, all I’m going to say is “when you’re taking flak, it just means you’re over the target.” ”

            This is so very true. I live in a university town and any time this obliquely comes up in polite conversation the faces of the women look like well skelped arses. I remember the first time I asked a woman what she brought to a relationship :-). No answer.

            Thanks for the conversation Goober. It is good to have a sounding board for my ideas as this is not the thing that can be discussed readily anywhere except the manosphere.

          • Oscar Calme

            A woman. If you are serious in wanting to understand I shall address your post by item as Feeriker, Goober and Tunga express the problem well elsewhere.

            “But I don’t think I get it.” This is common for women as they think that all is well in gender relations because in the main it is for them. However, some men have a different view.

            The core of MGTOW as I see it is that each man is allowed to make an individual choice as to how his life is without consideration of gender norms or societal expectations. This is part of what feminism fought for for women over the last 40 odd year so turn about now for men. We just have to do it without government, legal or media support

            “You don’t want to be with woman at all because they limit your freedom? Because you’ve been through a hard time, etc?” The first is a man’s individual choice whether he wants to be with women or not. My view is that I can be with women but I will not give them any power over me if I can avoid it. The second can be true or not. Men are capable of considering the circumstances of others in making this decision and forty years of no fault divorce has had a profound effect on this.

            Not every woman is mean, selfish and a monster. However, every woman can be should the mood take her and the effects are disastrous for the men due to disparities in treatment. Feminism has made many women like this though. How can men distinguish the good from the bad? In twenty years?

            “Maybe you just got the wrong one? Yes, there are some unpleasant woman amongst us, but not all men are angels either… ” So because SOME men are bad boys we need to give every woman the power to unilaterally destroy men with reduced due process. Reverse the sexes here A Woman and think about it. This is know as BMDTT – but men do that too. We have all heard this ad nauseum. Men don’t have the ability to detonate a woman’s life with a VAWA charge (the clue is in the name here).

            Consider, if you have a son and he was treated like boys and men are in this society. If your son marries the wrong one he has no protection from the wrong one. Is this fair or just. In feminist jurisprudence it is. Many women come to this viewpoint to a degree when they consider their own sons, brothers and fathers.

            “Isn’t it desirable to come home to your loved one (man or woman) after work?” Yes but how do ensure that your woman is a good one and remains like that in the long term.
            “To feel someone cares for you? And having a partner doesn’t always mean to give up your freedom – and if, it’s the wrong one.” they can all be the wrong one with a change of mood. It is not simply about giving up freedom. This is rather naïve of you to think this and this harps on shaming language from pre second wave feminism. Always remember that Not All Men Are Like That NAMALT. This is a joke Google NAWALT.

            If I got it right those are the reasons why you choose MGTOW? Not a simple as that you are missing a lot and looking at this only from your experience. You will need to put yourself in others position and to do this you will need to read a lot. Start with No Ma’am blog and Angry Harry’s guide to feminist nonsense. Others will suggest other places if you ask.

            “But than again, isn’t it like staying unemployed after a bad job?” Your analogy is flawed. If your former employer could break open your door, arrest you forcibly, plaster your face over the papers and TV for a debt or an unsubstantiated claim you wouldn’t work for him or her in the first place. You would EGTOW, wouldn’t you?

            “I would love to hear your opinion. Maybe I got you all wrong, but I really want to understand.” Yes, I think you have, you fail to consider the risk of modern relationships. I think you are just being a bit naïve. A definition you want to look into is solipsism which means that your reality is the only reality you can understand and be aware of this when you are reading.

            Best of luck and if you stick with it you too can write articles like the above.

        • Tunga

          This is a response to both Oscar, and A woman, Oscar first.

          Yes I see that your replies to my, and Goober have overlapping themes and the responses interlock. My reply really wasn’t directed to Goober specifically (he’s a longtime contributor here so I had a pretty firm grasp on Goober’s view from past comments).

          First, I don’t think MGTOW is a collective response to feminism and it’s effects on society as a whole, more an individual choice made by individual men in response to personal observations or circumstance. I don’t label myself normally, hence I stated I live a MGTOW style existence and for the same reasons but don’t advocate for the lifestyle. I think that MGTOW is an individual choice but looked at collectively from a statistical point of view I can see how it would be seen as a response. Look at the MGTOW lifestyle as practiced in Japan, there it’s called grass eating, it’s an individual choice but it’s become so widespread that a majority of the under 35 population of males are checking out of the dating and career advancement race and it’s the proverbial canary in the coal mine. Having said that, the situation in Japan is far advanced from the situation at present in western democracies. The government there is trying to force those younger men back into a traditional role, in a decade I think we will see how effective or not such an authoritarian response (as we can expect the feminist response in western democracies to be) has been at dealing with the problem of MGTOW/grass eating.

          I think of MGTOW as an unguided response to inequality, market forces correcting for an imbalance, the MHRM being the conscious group response of Men to the imbalance. To continue the economic analogy, I see MGTOW acting as the invisible hand that will push society toward change and the MHRM as the organized labour movement that will actually negotiate the changes on behalf of men as the social contract is reworked.

          As for my personal history (this goes in part to answer A woman as well) I’m in my mid 30’s, I was raised by a single mom with feminist leanings, with occasional contact with my father (the usual parental alienation etc.) along with an older sister. Even as a young teen the growing inequality and inconsistencies in feminism were becoming obvious as political correctness swelled to prominence in the early 90’s. I was in an accident when I was 13, that wasn’t crippling but the aftereffects became increasingly debilitating over the next few years. This really made the fact that to most people in my life I was a utility, pretty obvious. As I was increasingly dismissed, as a bad investment. I’d been treated when I was younger as a “golden boy” so the contrast was pretty stark. Such is life. On the plus side, I ended up engaged to my first love. It didn’t work out, I ended up with a sizeable chunk of life insurance money, but in the end when it was gone I ended up on a disability pension. Shortly thereafter she left and married another fellow. Yes we are still good friends, and I love her two daughters to pieces. I did date after that, but looking up at the poverty line helped to underline again the inequalities of the expectations on men. So a decade ago I just checked out of the dating market and readjusted my priorities, this was long before I ever heard of an MHRM or the concept of MGTOW. It was clear I wasn’t going to be able to meet an unattainable standard so I shrugged and moved on to a focus on friends and community.

          A woman, to directly answer your questions. I like women, and have many female friends. I enjoy their company but there are many risks to dating, that are only growing as laws change to empower women. It’s not purely economic, though that is a factor. I could never be a traditional breadwinning husband, as such that increases the likelihood (but doesn’t guarantee) that the relationship will breakdown. I don’t have the resources to defend myself against a false allegation of domestic violence, sexual assault, and whatnot where the law puts me at a disadvantage as soon as the allegation is made. As I mentioned above, I didn’t stop dating because of a bad experience, I had one, but dated and had girlfriends after that. At this point under the law, with one lie my good reputation, friendships, and freedom can be wiped out. I have a few friends who have experienced that, one even ended up in jail and lost access to his child because of a false DV charge. Frankly, romantic love, cuddling, sex, etc. aren’t worth the risks to me. I just avoid situations where a moment of pique could wreak untold havoc on my life as best I can. Not every woman is a monster I know that, but is it really worth my time and limited funds to search for a woman who hopefully will not use the law as a weapon if I ever displeased her? For me, I think not.

          I like math, I pay attention to statistics, and I know my odds of finding a woman who would never ever take advantage of the power imbalance between us, is slowly but steadily worsening.

          By your questions, it seems to me that you conjectured about my situation and came to some conclusions that don’t really fit my life history, but that’s o.k. I hope I answered your questions above. :)

          As for EGTOW, you couldn’t possibly have known that for better or worse, I guess I could be said to fit that label too. 😉

          Boredom is my biggest enemy, having to fill every waking hour. Talking with folks like yourselves on the internet is certainly one of the more enjoyable ways for me to do that. :)

          • A woman

            Thanks Tunga for you honest answer. I really appreciate it!

            Actually I really tried to be openminded, but felt that whatever your response would be, I couldn’t buy it really. But I did.

            I misunderstood your reasons and I get it now.

            Once a man asked me, why I’m so hard on my own gender. Everything JB wrote is so true and I feel so sorry for us woman not seeing how wrong we are.

            But I have to say that it kind of surprised me anyway that there is a movement like MGTOW. It makes me sad that woman forced this to happen. But I really see your point – i do. What really frightens me is how some men are writing about woman here. Some of these posts are pure hate against woman.

            I can understand that you choose MGTOW because the power the government gave us by law and the risk someone abuses it. But this hate i read in a lot of posts… We are not THAT bad…

            I really agree with Goober that we need to work together and accept our differences. Because of them we are functioning.

            So what to do about this imbalance?

          • freetofish

            You have to understand though that many men you might run into here and other MGTOW web sites have had life destroying, soul crushing experiences in the divorce mill.

            Had their children, wealth, homes and futures ripped away because some women got bored with her life and decided to implode the marriage to eat ,pray,love or some other such nonsense.

            I hope you can understand the bitterness that may accompany such treatment. Part of what I have seen is MGTOW vets trying to help these poor souls through the ashes of their lives. To move past the bitterness.

            The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference and I think you will find most gents who have been following the MGTOW lifestyle for some period of time arrive at that point. Complete and total indifference to the XX.

          • A woman

            Thanks freetofish!

            I get that, really i do! But why so angry at a whole gender?

            I’ve never had problems like many of you had and i hopefully never will. But does one or maybe two really really bed experiences justify to call a whole gender ‘cunt’s’? I’ve heard that a lot today here and thats what I don’t get…

            I really hate such woman and the problem is if they get bored – and a lot of them do unfortunately – the law is on their side. But lets not forget there are some real male bastards as well.

            But does it really help to hate each other? If every person – male or female – turns the back on the other gender, where would our society go? If nobody is trusting each other and just feels hate – even indifference – where is the point in living? You don’t have to be married or in a relationship for a woman OR a man to destroy your life. So you can never ever trust someone. Thats just really depressing.

            I do apologize for some of the bed ones in my gender. But we’re not all like that. You might get lucky.

            Thanks for the discussion and that you all really tried to explain it to me. I understand it, but it makes me sad. I know it’s our own fault, but still…

          • Oscar Calme

            A woman @19:31 still not sure if you are getting it. Not answering for freetofish but my take on your last comment.

            Many more than one or two are bad and as a man I cannot distinguish them from the good. Not many men can.

            As for calling the entire gender ‘cunts’ is only as reprehensible as the old feminist clarion call of “All men are bastards”. Do you remember that?

            “The law is on their side” and that is the source of the problem but is not the whole problem.

            I personally do not hate women but if I do not know them I am indifferent to their plight and problems. For example I have taken to refusing to help women lift luggage into plane overhead lockers but I will helpfully mansplain that they should pack lighter next time. Petty I know but the reaction is amusing.

            I will pretty much only help people who have demonstrated that they are unlikely to ruin even the smallest proportion of my life.

            Not for you to apologise for the bad ones of your gender but you could distinguish yourself from them by, for example, actively campaigning against no fault divorce which is one of if not the major factor in many mens MGTOW decision.

            No I might get unlucky too unless I MGTOW.

            Really hope that this helps but if you really wish a good source on classical type MGTOW thought go to the No Maam blog on BlogSpot I think

          • Tunga

            Hi again A woman. :)

            I think it’s a perception issue. Many of the angry men you see have been hurt by the inequalities in the system (as others mentioned). More to the point, this is a safe space where they can vent those feelings because there are others here who have felt the same way, and/or people who see the same problems in the system that screwed them and can thus empathize. In the wider world, where can they talk about this stuff without criticism? There are precious few spaces, (and that number is shrinking) where men can be free without having to police their thoughts and words. Our society has never been comfortable with unrestrained male emotion. Boys from infancy onward are trained to be self-contained, self-controlled, and are scorned, shamed, even punished if they have even a momentary lapse.

            The inverse is that women are told by wider society that their every feeling is valid, there is no punishment for truly ugly displays, or loss of control. Women are encouraged to lose control by the media and the like. The media (and to a lesser extent the law and police) tell us it’s o.k. even empowering for a woman to hit a man when she’s angry for example.

            If you could, please stop for a moment and consider why you are reacting so strongly to seeing men say angry things. You, me, all of us, are biologically queued to pay attention to angry men. It brings us up short, we take it seriously, and seems vaguely threatening. The flipside is the tears of women, we are all biologically programmed to take them seriously, to pay attention to a woman crying and attempt to alleviate the source of her distress. Yet a woman’s anger we don’t generally take that seriously, when a woman says something awful while upset it’s excused, “she’s upset after all” “She’s just venting” etc. Even in the face of evidence that she really means what she’s saying it’s not taken as a serious threat by most people. Men are learning to their detriment to take what she utters in the throes of emotion, very seriously.

            Yet, when a man is angry and upset, why do we not extend to him the same empathy and consideration? Why must he qualify his every statement or provide disclaimers? I know personally even when I’m otherwise content I get pretty infuriated by the need to put a disclaimer on so much of my speech. Rape being a perfect example, if I say anything about rape in a comment, and don’t include a disclaimer that I think it’s awful and such (even though that’s the default response from virtually everyone) I will be vilified and accused of rape apologia by ideologues. I am of course not saying you are doing that A woman, but you seem to be saying that even in a safe space men should police their speech. All I’m saying is that with a change of perception, of expectation you will see that such angry speech isn’t an attempt to vilify you, or even all women but an indicator of a need for even greater empathy. That anger is actually the biggest weapon if you will, for a man to have his feelings be taken seriously.

            Is it counter-productive for the movement to rectify the imbalances in our culture? yes and no in my opinion. Yet anger is also one of the stages of grieving. I empathize with the men who are grieving, even if I’ve dodged that bullet thus far myself. If anything such anger says I must love my fellow man more for it.

            I know it can be off-putting but I hope this helps you see these issues in the way they are intended, rather than how they appear A woman. Even if your chosen handle here, can make it a bit confusing. 😉 I hope you stay and keep contributing to the men’s community A woman, I am glad you have come. It’s a journey, not a destination and I’ll gladly have people like yourself take this journey with me. :)

          • Oscar Calme

            Agreed on all points. I think that we are on the same page in everything but language but for different reasons. I’ve enjoyed talking to you too

      • manfredkintop

        I’m a MGTOW. Have been for almost 4 years. I’m 42, divorced and have 2 amazing kids who are my world. I love them very much. Additionally, I love my sisters, their beautiful girls, and my closest friends. I do care quite a bit about people other than myself.

        What I do not care about are relationships outside of what I already have. For the last 4 years, I’ve avoided women and will not interact with any female in a social manner outside of my family, friends, or any required business transaction (Banking, retail, work, etc.).

        I’m in Canada. Possibly the most dangerous country to live in if you are a man.

  • Taylor

    I’m glad birth rates are down. Babies are not cheap and many folks shouldn’t even be parents.

    • http://www.notboutthing.blogspot.com Goober

      “babies are not cheap… …and many people shouldn’t BE parents”

      Especially people who constantly bitch about how expensive kids are. If one is worried about spending money on their kid, then I hope that they do the world a favor and don’t have any. Parenting involves a level of selflessness that includes not really giving a shit about spending money on the kids when its needed. If it burns someone’s ass to spend money on their own damn children, then I can only hope that they never have any.

      • feeriker

        Oh, but remember what JB described about a few weeks ago in a discussion about feminism and “women of color”: your role as parents today (especially if you’re white UMC or rich parents) is merely to create children as “social status ornaments” (I’m paraphrasing here) and let someone else [making minimum wage] raise them for you while you go out and grab tax credits for having them.

      • Taylor

        Low birth rates = good times.

  • earl

    Reminds me of this scene from Fight Club.

  • http://gravatar.com/jeremyrainman Jeremy

    91% of the nation’s electrical engineers are men…

    Ah, Electrical Engineers, at least most of them, do not work on the power grid. EE’s for the most part are the people designing new cell phones, new computer chips, etc… Just a small clarification. Some of them work in analog electronics, but most are digital designers. There’s a different term for people who work on the power grid.

    What should be made obvious to these women who think men have unearned privileges is how they’re already standing above significant numbers of men in the world on a glass floor of privilege. They may rant and rave and scream and whine all they want about the glass ceiling, but so long as they’re unwilling to do the brutally hard jobs, they will never deserve the prestigious ones.

    • feeriker

      but so long as they’re unwilling to do the brutally hard jobs, they will never deserve the prestigious ones.

      Substitute “unwilling to do” with “incapable of doing”, and you’re this statement is absolutely perfect.

    • http://www.southernmanblog.com Southern Man

      “Glass floor of privilege.” That’s a nice turn of phrase; I think I’ll borrow it.

  • B

    “People hardly ever feel guilty about doing the right thing, now do they? Let guilt be your compass, letting know you are headed in the wrong direction”.

    This quote.
    I think I just go the clarity I was needing….or looking for.

  • publius

    This is truly moving prose. The deadpan narrative is so painfully beautiful, with its jarringly incisive reproval of the intimate for the cold empiricism of the data. Thank you for writing so compellingly. I am genuinely grateful for having had the opportunity to read this piece.

  • http://gravatar.com/wadsworthemmons Gordon Wadsworth

    You know JB, you really are a rare gem. I’ve met women who weren’t interested in attacking men as a group, but I could lose fingers and still count on one hand the number of women I’ve either met or read who would say such appreciative things about men as a group.

  • http://gravatar.com/zorroprimo Zorro

    Heaven = Christina Hendricks’ body cloned with your mind.

  • https://www.facebook.com/roccim Marlo Rocci

    Thanks. That is all. just… thanks.

  • http://uncabob.blogspot.com/ Bob Wallace

    Without men, civilization would last until the next oil change – P.J. O’Rourke.

    • Oscar Calme

      😉

  • TMG

    I don’t want men to take a day off. I want men to abdicate their responsibility to volunteer for the protection and provision of women, permanently. If you get a paycheck to “protect and serve” women, great. If you are a father to a daughter or a husband to a wife, cool. But men need to stop all the extracurricular helping and protecting.

  • MRA-Akhil

    This is like the reality prose that needs to be with the generation today… Rational and In Your Face… Great Piece… This is like my Grandmother Talking….

  • https://www.facebook.com/alex.hillock Alex Hillock

    This is so beautiful! Thank you!

    • https://www.facebook.com/maya.willis.1610 Maya Willis

      Women are too stupid to build society. Are you kidding me. Let’s start telling the truth about feminism: http://manhood101.com

      • https://www.facebook.com/michael.schweidleim Michael Schweidleim

        “If society is left in women’s hands, we would still live in grass huts” Camille Paglia

        Patriarchy had done so many great things, unlike feminists who keep bitching

        • http://judgybitch.com Take The Red Pill

          Grass huts with curtains…but grass huts, none the less.

  • http://infowarrior1.wordpress.com infowarrior1

    @JB

    Wonder if you saw this video:

  • Keen Observer

    I heart you, JB. That was awesome.

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  • patriarchal landmine

    next time some feminazi claims that the world would be better without men, quote some of this article at them.

    • patriarchal landmine

      also not sure if you mentioned that of the tiny % of women who do make up any of these jobs, a very large amount of them are incompetent AA hires who do not perform the same level of output that men do.

      so on top of all the foundations of civilization ceasing to exist, even the minor remnants of those foundations are operating at a detrimental output, because no one is left to pick up the slack.

    • doclove

      Over 80% of the American military is male. The Air Force has 60% men, the Navy 70 % men, the Army 87% men and the Marine Corps. 93% men. Women make up the rest.

    • http://judgybitch.com Take The Red Pill

      Using LOGIC and FACTS?! How oppressive and patriarchal!!

  • http://gravatar.com/revorob Evil Weasel

    Brilliant article!!!!

  • http://www.paulmurray.id.au Paul Murray

    Every powerful, independent, “we don’t need no menz” feminist – and I’m looking at you, Miss Krista Heflin – should turn off the power at the fusebox (if they can find it) and spend a night in the dark. Bonus kudos for doing it in the middle of winter.
    Protip – clear the refrigerator of any perishable food before you do.

  • Spaniard

    Women are good for the kitchen, the kindergarten and the church as churchwardens. They are good for the nightclubs, strip clubs and brothels. That are their natural places. Where they belong and where they should stay. For their own good and society´s.

    • smokey_666_1989

      I’m not sure I’d go that far, but if they want equality, they need to work for it

    • http://judgybitch.com Take The Red Pill

      Sadly, the present and the last few generations of Western Woemyn aren’t fit for the kitchen, kindergarten, or the church — not least because they corrupt everything that they come in contact with. The only possible place that they could be useful at all (because of all their ‘experience’*) is in a brothel — just as long as they aren’t infected with STDs, of course.

      * Someone did a study and found that the typical Western female has had sex with more males than the average female prostitute.

  • http://photoncourier.blogspot.com David Foster

    Something is wrong with the BLS numbers stating that less than 1% of air traffic controllers are female. As a private pilot, I talk with controllers on the radio all the time, and from the voices I would put the female percentage at 10-20%. This article:

    http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2013/March/15/Professional-Women-Controllers-promotes-ATC-career

    puts the number at 17%.

    • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

      I actually saw that too, but I went with the Dept of Labor over a self-interest group.

    • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

      BLS also adds that a threshold of 50 000 was required, which I take to mean at least 50 000 workers.

      Any way you slice it, most ATCs are men.

  • DB

    Entire faculties at all universities need to be immediately placed under your direct control and dedicated to your indispensable research. You are an oasis of knowledge.

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  • http://anorthernobserver.wordpress.com ANorthernObserver

    Reblogged this on A Northern Observer and commented:
    A hilarious take on how if all men “took a day off” to enjoy their “male privilege” – the world would come to a screeching halt.

  • http://www.freethefamily.co.uk Sean11

    100% of mothers are women but for some women that carries no value like a seat on the board.

    Your labour figures don’t nudge these people because they are not interested in work. They have found a way to campaign for rewards and will spin any yarn to get their numerous signatures.

    Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. They want to flip that with their greed.

    • http://mkc5272387.wordpress.com MKC5272387

      Yes, and 100% of fathers are men.

      What’s your point?

  • https://www.facebook.com/maya.willis.1610 Maya Willis

    Reminds me of this:

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  • Misguided Child

    This is a game of Prisoner’s Dilemma.

    The prisoner’s dilemma is a canonical example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interests to do so.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemmahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

    MGTOW is men choosing to defect rather than risk cooperation.

    You can see a video of Richard Dawkins explaning Prisoner’s Dilemma.

    Semper Fidelis

  • Civilization collapse

    Great article ! Not to mention that the female part of your percentage in your article for example in Math and Computer science, they are quite incompetent and are here with affirmative action ! (men must redo their jobs after them).
    Female military have dumbed down standard at the point security and efficiency question arise.
    Another phenomena is that the automation make it more easy for certain task (like piloting) the computer will correct bad decision but the problem is what happening if the computer is disconnecting itself or have an incident and the pilot must land in full manual mode in emergency ?
    Does a woman pilot will have the “balls” and competence to land a plane in the Hudson River who the 155 passenger survived ? Nope.
    Look at IBM down spiral with their 30% of worker that are women and have woman CEO, this company is literally dying: no innovation, lack of foresight, bad management, bad morals, unsatisfied customers. Hell, even the shareholder are unsatisfied since the stock have stalled and having a low dividend (about 2%)…
    Feminism is disastrous and can even threat people’s life and security, in order to save the Western civilization things must change radically and quickly.

  • Mark

    Women have no idea how much they rel on men for protection, provision of resources, marriage and children. As more and more men go their own way, ( MGTOW) wome are goig to findit more and more dificult to function. All men have to do is do nothing and then we will win…

  • http://gravatar.com/pn3 pn3

    I love this post – but so many dudes replying here are missing the point in its entirety.

    I highly doubt this was written in an attempt at true misogyny (as opposed to the fake type militant feminist bleat about), but at counteracting the hatred spewed forth from feminists.

    The rants about how even the women who work are ‘worthless’, etc. are not only wrong, but absurd and demonstrably untrue.

    It is refreshing to hear a voice counteracting the shrills cries of how evil and worthless men are, it really is. It is almost ruined, however, by men then posting insisting on the lack of value of women. I mean, thanks so much for a woman writing this, but all women are worthless – right?

    Dickweeds,

    • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

      I think a lot of the anger comes from the fact that there are no headlines proclaiming “The End of Women”, or “Women are Obsolete”, which would be rightly dismissed as absurd.

      I singled out nurses as being particularly vital to the basic infrastructure that underwrites our whole society, but aside from nurses, most of what women do is superfluous to the actual continuation and functioning of our society.

      What women do is add polish and ease to what men have created. Nice, but hardly essential.

      Most of the job categories occupied by women are extensions of the work they would traditionally be doing at home, and if they took the day off, all that means is they would transfer their occupations from the paid labor force to the unpaid. Children would still be cared for, they would just be cared for by their own mothers, who have taken the day off from caring for other people’s children.

      Food will still be served.
      Shit would get cleaned.
      Papers would be organized.

      Those are the four big occupational categories for women: taking care of children, waitressing and food service, cleaning and administrative assistance.

      You may not like that, but it’s true.

      • http://gravatar.com/pn3 pn3

        I don’t actually have any problem with that – I agree, in general. Men and women are inherently different and I believe occupational choice/aptitude reflects that.

        The thing I find the most funny is that the role women typically fulfill, which is arguably more vital in its totality than any specific other job is that of having/raising children. You don’t have a new generation of men or women if there are no mothers. Yet, feminism seems hell bent on devaluing and destroying that. That is not, of course, to place that above being a father either. Both are absolutely essential, and statistical analysis shows that to be true as well.

        That being acknowledged, a male response to militant feminism with militant masculinity is… well… silly and completely without class.

      • Homeless Ronin

        You know, it’s not like we wish something like “the end of women”. Pettiness is in short supply this side of the fence. It’s just like there was a sense of accomplishment in doing stuff for other people, rather than ourselves, that no longer exists. Worse, we can see women still enjoy everything we can provide to them. But now they tarnish our names and debase what we do, just for not having to reciprocate.

      • gcm

        “Those are the four big occupational categories for women: taking care of children, waitressing and food service, cleaning and administrative assistance.”

        Back in the olden days, yes. Today? No. So you can stomp your feet and cuss all you want, because women will continue to exercise their liberty to be gainfully employed. The concept of freedom of association, for those libertarians out there, certainly applies here.

        • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

          Sorry cupcake. You’re wrong. Secretary is STILL the number one occupation for women

          http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/31/news/economy/secretary-women-jobs/index.html

          • Lauren

            I’ll preface this with the statement that I don’t agree with the notion that men are obsolete.

            Yes, but in a lot of these professions, women weren’t allowed in until recent history (illegal to be a female coal miner until nearly 1980) and are still actively discouraged by society from taking these jobs. How many girls are given fire trucks and construction toys to play with? How many girls are taught by their fathers how to fix a car? How many fathers let their daughters help with construction projects? I know a few whose dads did, and whaddya know, they are good at all of these things.

            There’s still a social stigma attached to women who want to do anything that is traditionally male. It should be noted that in some of these professions, the numbers are rapidly rising (truck driving and, in some areas, oil rig workers).

            http://gobytrucknews.com/female-truckers-growing-in-number/

            And, the guys on here claiming that all girls/women who actually do achieve anything in math, science, computer programming, and engineering are all doing it because men clean up after them? Really? You actually still believe that women aren’t capable of these things.

            I don’t deny that at this point, men still hold most of the infrastructure jobs, my argument is that women are capable of many of these jobs, it’s just still not looked upon well in society for women to do them.

          • http://judgybitch.wordpress.com judgybitch

            *cough* bullshit *cough*

            Women don’t WANT to do shitwork. Why should they when men do it for them?

            And that’s fine.

            But you know what?

            ACKNOWLEDGE IT

            SAY THANK YOU

            BE GRATEFUL

            it’s not that hard

          • Taylor

            You can do any job you’re trained to do. Most of the jobs she listed can be done by a woman if that’s her thing and she has the skills. There are many who are already doing it. There was a time when children worked. In some places they still do.

            Feminists hate when the average man does better than the average woman. MRAs hate when the average woman does better than the average man.

          • Thorvald

            I agree with your sentiment, women are as capable as men in many ways, my own mother very successfully runs a small farm all by herself. Another example, my friend’s parents, the father (who inherited a farm) is simply fucking useless at farming, his wife however is a very hard-working self-sufficient farmer…they eventually divorced, and my friend’s father actually employed his ex-wife to keep running his farm.

            BUT, the two genders are still not the same and ‘never’ will be, as noted by JB, we are simply born so different…on average of course. I believe that yes, some of the disparity in the workforce is simply cultural, but some of it is also biological — our interests and behaviours even in the earliest years are just so different. I know several families that’ve tried raising their children gender neutral with only limited ‘success’. All the best unbiased education and up-bringing will only bring workforce homogenisation up to a certain degree.

            I believe we all certainly have the same intellectual capacities, I’ve never seen any basis to believe otherwise. However, the nature and essence of our capacities are so polar, we have such different biases and perspectives. We are equal, yet opposite complimentary forces — Yin and Yang. It is a great strength, I think it is something to be celebrated and embraced. It is beautiful.

            I believe it’s the people with great inadequacies who are the one’s with the real problems. All the misogynists/hardcore feminists and misandrists/hardcore masculists I’ve met have been people with issues; either something bad happened to them, or they’re wound up over their own deficiencies and refuse to take responsibility. All the really capable and happy people I’ve ever met just simply don’t care.

          • John

            I don’t know your real name, so I’ll have to call you “judgybitch” (however, with your article you are not a bitch at all) but anyway… You’re my hero. Well written article, and well written defenses on these comments. All men, including myself, say “Thank you.” If you’re not already spoken for, you’re going to make some lucky guy very happy, and with this mindset and respect you have for men, he’ll be loyal to you forever.

  • Mike

    Atlas Shrugged.

  • Daranj

    I think this is exactly the kind of rational response to the ‘end of men’ nonsense we keep hearing. Women have made a lot of progress but due to the fact that the moment someone argues with feminists they become a social pariah, this kind of rebuttal is kept out of the debate (if there even is a debate permitted any more). I wanted to say this to Hannah Rosin, if she would hear me: men are not just needed, they are more needed than women. Its idiotic to think that a maximum 40% share in any given workforce bar nursing and teaching equals total world dominance that makes the other 60-90% redundant. The other stupid thing is that women always seem to judge men by their lowest common denominator – rapists, misogynists, the guys you see on jerry springer – while they demand to be judged only by (what they consider to be) their highest common denominators – CEOs, high-flyers, geniuses, and take no consideration for how small a percentage those women are. All of this end of men, neo-feminist claptrap is based upon comparatively tiny percentages of change and a minority of women who are competent and smart enough in male-led industries to compete. The simple fact that there ARE women who CAN do these things doesnt equate to ALL women can do them, or should. Hard, serious truths that no feminist will listen to because it is first and foremost about believing what you want and shutting out everything that makes you doubt.

  • https://plus.google.com/110818285618901647046 Cameron Hancock

    I didn’t take this as a woman hating article, just a devils advocate piece to the myriad man hating crap that’s all over the place. As a man, I’m sick of it and its nice to see that there are still women out there that appreciate men.

    Keep this up! The younger generation of boys is starting to believe this feminist crap and see themselves as worthless.

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  • JBfan

    “The people you are after are the people who you depend on. We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls, drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us.”

    TYLER DURDEN, FIGHT CLUB.

    An equally relevant message if send to the modern mainstream “feminist” movement.

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  • manfredkintop

    So…I read a story today on the CBC website. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/women-discouraged-from-civic-politics-by-sexist-attitudes-farrell-says-1.1931293

    “Women discouraged from civic politics by ‘sexist’ attitudes, Farrell says”.

    I responded for the FIRST time ever to this website with this comment: What the self-appointed latte-lifting Queen of Kensington does not acknowledge is that most women do not aspire to be involved in politics because they would rather be in traditional stay-at-home roles such as wife and mother. Her dim-witted feminist response coincides with Mayor Farrell’s out-of-touch grasp on the issue. If all of Calgary was able to cast a ballot on her, she would be toast. If only..

    My comment was moderated and disabled due to …wait for it…Hate speech.

    I’m fighting a losing battle here.

    • Shane

      Manfredkintop, if you’re from Calgary, you know there isn’t a camera that Druh Farrell doesn’t want to stick her face into. Remember, she’s also the one that was responsible for the ridiculous $15 million dollar Peace Bridge. People don’t vote for the few women who run for office because they don’t trust their motives. More often than not, women in politics are usually do gooders from the left who love to tax and spend to their hearts content and say things like “It’s for the children!” What’s also disingenuous over this complaint on women in politics is before Alison Redford was asked to resign, 6 of the 10 premiers in this country were women. There is no lack of women in leadership positions.

      What’s more telling to me is the quotes about Alison Redford after her resignation as Premier of Alberta following a disastrous spending scandal. Other women made excuses for her behaviour.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/alison-redford-resignation-did-sexism-play-a-role-in-her-demise-1.2582789

      “Former Edmonton Liberal MP Anne McLellan said while it’s a complex issue, she’s sure Alison Redford was treated differently because of her sex.

      The Progressive Conservative premier made mistakes, McLellan said, but her caucus and voters — both male and female — had unfair expectations of her as a female leader”

      Unfair expectations of her as a female leader?

      How insulting to women. “See honey, you’re a woman so our expectations for you are quite low. If you screw up, we understand. You can’t help being a failure because you’re a woman.”

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  • Ryan

    This was beautiful, thank you.

  • Flaming Man of Iron

    JB

    I saw that your blog was quoted on a Canadian talk about Masculinity:

    http://ww3.tvo.org/video/197366/singing-masculinity-blues

    Figured you’d get a kick out of that. It was a good discussion from a Canadian perspective.

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  • http://angloamerica101.wordpress.com The Beat Man

    Reblogged this on Life in Anglo-America.

    • B

      I loved this article! Thank you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/100000236042054 Frank Mo

      Feminist resent that everything they see,touch and use everyday was thought of,built, created ,constructed,planted, maintained, harvested, slaughtered, and delivered by men.

  • http://jseeleysite.wordpress.com jseeley2014

    Reblogged this on Jake Seeley's site.

  • KG

    I am a man who has been suffering in life for some of the reasons I can’t explain.. everywhere on TV, media, cinema I see men being (tried to) sidelined and angels created of women… seeing an increasing feminist mindset troubles my feeble mind to a great extent (feeble.. well it has been made feeble over time by the doings of a well intending female in my life.. unknown to her)..

    found your site through a comment you made on boldanddetermined.com …. And This post of yours actually brought me to tears.. I have cried like this after a very very long time (probably years).. I dont know whether these tears are of sadness or happiness or relief.. but thank you so much for understanding.. and may God bless you and your family!

    • Martin

      “..it has been made feeble over time by the doings of a well intending female in my life.. unknown to her”

      We seem to be at the same place in life

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  • David

    Every passing day I look at feminists attacking and abusing men and I wonder why women don’t stand up for us. We can’t stand up to feminists because the very ideology labels defending yourself against them as sexism or encouraging male on female abuse yet despite that the rest of the women who aren’t doing the abuse just watch us get it and do nothing about it and became silent participants. I just don’t understand why they’re silent. As men we do our best to defend women from men they can’t defend themselves against yet we don’t get the same in return from women against women we can’t defend ourselves from. I get this impression, which I constantly pray is false but yet is constantly proven true, that women in general seem to just not like us the way we like them otherwise they’d do for us what we do for them… why bother then? Why work for people who don’t like us? Why be slaves for these people?

    • https://www.facebook.com/gha.briel Gha Briel

      Don’t lose your hope man, we can make a different world, and we will.

    • http://judgybitch.com/ Hope

      Don’t lose hope bro. Women do care for us. They are however brainwashed by the feminist media. It’s not that they are inherently evil or something. Just brainwashed. Yes we do all the out door job. That’s how we have evolved. That doesn’t mean women are inferior to us in any way. Both the sexes have different roles. That’s what we need to understand. Women are equally valuable for us. They bring our offspring into the world. Without them there is no way our species would have continued. What is wrong however is the way the modern world demonizes men. We are painted with a broader brush, making the society believe that we are mysgonists, rapists, ect or that we take pleasure in hurting women or that raping them is our pastime or something. The vast majority of men, me and you, know deep inside us that we are not like that, and most of us are not hardcore criminals.

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  • Bill

    This nearly brought tears to my eyes, I don’t come across many women that remember us as people, like them flawed but redeemable

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  • Seme2

    This is such a breath of fresh air. Thank you for writing this and your other articles, you are to be applauded for thinking for yourself and meaningfully drawing relevant, much needed, conclusions.

    Your son is lucky to have you!

  • mike

    wow ur awesome i kinda which i had the power to make men sleep for 2 days straight just to see what happens lol

    • mike

      wish* ugh

  • J

    Wouldn’t an Atlas Shrugged type exodus be fascinating? I know where I’d be, in that scenario. Great article.

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  • George

    I don’t know what to say. Your words nearly brought tears to my eyes, and i’m not the one to cry easily.

    Thank you for this fine article, and thank you for your ideals. You are hope materialized.

  • floyd

    my dad used to beat the fk out of me too -,-