Two little dickwads threaten to gang rape my daughter and have the worst weekend of their lives.

22 Apr

Talk about the rubber hitting the road!  You may have noticed a curious silence from me this weekend – allow me to tell you the reason why.

walking

So, Friday afternoon, PinkyPinkyPie, who is 11, was walking home from school with her little brother LittleDude and a few other kids from the neighborhood, as per usual.  The school is on the dividing line between two neighborhoods, one to the East and one to the West and kids generally set off in one direction or the other.  On Friday, two boys from the East neighborhood decided to follow the kids going West.

Pinky and her group didn’t think much of it, but when Pinky left her other friends at the street corner, the two boys Dickwad1 and Dickwad2 started talking to LittleDude, who is seven years old!!  He’s in Grade One!

They offered him crack.

crack

What the fuck?

These boys are in the fifth grade, although not in the same class as Pinky.  She knows their names, but not where they live.

“What’s crack?”, asked LittleDude.  How would he know?

Pinky intervened immediately and told LittleDude that crack was a kind of drug and that he should not talk to or trust either of the Dickwads. She held LittleDude’s hand and they started towards our house.

That’s when Dickwad1 yelled “we’re gonna break into your house and rape you in your sleep!”, with Dickwad2 chortling his agreement.

angry

Well, those boys picked the wrong kid to fuck with.  They clearly have no idea who Pinky’s mother is.

I’m telling you this story because I want to discuss MY reaction, and not Pinky’s.  It’s a fine line between exploiting your children (oh hello, Shona Sibary), and referring to them as a useful illustration of an important issue.  Suffice to say, Pinky and LittleDude burst through the front door and told me what had happened immediately.

principal

My first call was to the school principal. My second call was to the police.  My third call was to Eddie the Barber.  I’ll go through each of these calls separately.

The School principal is a nice enough man, and I’m sure his job is neither easy nor pleasant all the time.  Who’s is?  One of the more difficult things he has to do is integrate children from different social backgrounds into the regular milieu of the school.  As I’ve mentioned before, children from troubled or very poor families are integrated into regular neighborhoods in our town, rather than housed in some sort of council or ghetto.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/02/26/the-lost-boy-or-the-art-of-being-a-grow-up/

Often, but not always, these children are part of distinct racial minority that gets rather a lot of bad press, some of it deserved, and some not so much.  This group is plagued with problems of substance abuse, lots of single motherhood,  physical abuse and neglect of children and sadly, a lot of sexual violence against children.

And yes, the two little dickwads were part of this racial minority.  In my conversation with the Principal, I suggested that he immediately investigate the school’s liability in a situation like this one.  And I assured him that I would pursue that liability to the ends of the fucking earth if it came to that, which didn’t surprise him all that much.  He kind of knows me.

I let him know that he needed to have the boys names, addresses, dates of birth, all relevant information at hand as the police would be in touch with him soon.  Our conversation was curt, to say the least. He wanted me to just let the school handle the situation.

Not fucking likely.

police

My second call was to the police, who took the threats very seriously, and once I identified the kids as being part of a particularly troubled social group, they moved my case to top priority and dispatched officers to take statements from the kids.  I also asked them to obtain social services records to see if the boys had ever been in foster care, had ever had contact with the police before, had ever been the victims of physical or sexual violence themselves.  I also wanted to know if any close family members had been convicted or charged with drug offences.  How do we understand offering LittleDude crack?  Is that for real? The police assured me those were the first things they would do.

Okay, so police and school principal are on it.  I should just leave it at that, no?

NO!

barber

Not a chance.  My third call was to Eddie the Barber.  Eddie has been cutting hair in this town for 52 years, and in all those years, he’s met a few people.  If Eddie doesn’t know you, he knows your cousin.  And Eddie has long railed against the town’s housing policy of integrating poor and troubled families for precisely the reason I was describing.  He doesn’t think it’s fair to expose children from more affluent, stable families to children who come from wildly different experiences, because children have no way to process that information or defend themselves against other children who have had a much rougher go of things.

I can see both sides of the argument, but my principal concern was to do a threat evaluation.  Are these boys talking out their asses, or is there a real reason to be concerned?

Within 30 minutes, Eddie knew the Detective assigned to my case, he had the boys records from Social Services, he had alerted the town council and called a few lawyers to check on the school’s liability:  it’s pretty high. The lawyers also had some suggestions as to what I could ask for in terms of containing any future threats or situations against my daughter.

Cost of legal advice:  zero.  Unless you count all the haircuts Mr. JB has gotten from Eddie over the past seven years.  God, I love small towns.

It turns out that the boys have no previous contact with either social services or law enforcement and have never even been in trouble at school.  There is no history of drugs or any criminal behavior in the immediate family. The boy’s parents were completely appalled at their son’s behavior and were totally co-operative with the police.  Two uniformed officers went to the boy’s homes and scared the shit out of them.

Good.

They have received suspensions from school, and they have to write letters of apology to my daughter (which she does not want and said she refuses to read, and I’m fine with that.  I’ll read them.). Their parents have told them they are not to be in the West neighborhood period, and the school crossing guards have been alerted and will watch for the boys trying to cross the street.

crossing

But to me, this is still not over.  No way.  I want a meeting with the parents and the boys and the school principal, but it will have to wait until Mr.JB calms down a bit.  He didn’t think any of my phone calls were necessary.  Mr. JB, JudgyAsshole and BigMike all responded the exact same way:  little boys who talk like men need to run into a few men and learn a thing or two about owning your words.  They seriously wanted to find the boys and beat the shit out of them.

They still do.

I’m pretty sure they won’t, but god help those kids if they show up in this neighborhood and any one of the guys see them.  Of course, once the police cars were in our driveway, the whole neighborhood wanted to know what was up, and I’d say those boys better steer far clear of this street.  It’s not just Mr.JB they have to worry about.

Now here is where the whole situation gets a bit tricky.  I’m angry beyond belief that two boys from seemingly normal families would dare to say such a thing to anyone, not just my daughter. It turns out they HAVE made similar threats before, but none of the other girls told their parents.  They just shrugged it off.

That’s unbelievably sad.

I want to meet with the parents and the boys and the school to have one conversation in particular:  WHY WOULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING? 

“We’re going to break into your house and rape you in your sleep?”

I think it has to do with bravado, with seeming cool and strong and powerful, and while I want to put the fear of god into those boys about ever saying such a thing again, I do NOT want to shame them for wanting to feel powerful and strong.  What those boys need is a strategy for how to achieve those feelings without needing to resort to violence and fear and threats.

I think they’re negotiating what it means to be a man, and they have received some incredibly powerful, brutally negative portrayals of masculinity from the media.  I would like to meet their fathers and have a frank discussion about how these boys are interpreting what manliness means.  And you want to talk about rape culture?  It seems that the ubiquitous depiction of men as rapists has sunk deep into our culture indeed.

rapist

Twelve year old boys are already imagining themselves rapists. Feminism blames patriarchy for that, but it isn’t patriarchy that claims all men are potential rapists and should be treated that way, is it?  Zerlina Maxwell says we should teach men not to rape, which presupposes they just might accidentally rape someone without this important training.  I suppose we should train them all not to rob convenience stores while we’re at it?

http://judgybitch.com/2013/03/12/zerlina-maxwell-says-we-need-to-teach-men-not-to-be-sexually-aggressive-all-the-other-women-say-fuck-that/

How much of this is a self-fulfilling prophesy.  Treat all men as rapists, and make sure boys internalize that image, and guess what you get?

Twelve year old boys threatening to rape their classmates.

How fucking lovely.

And now that I have some personal experience with the matter, it absolutely boggles my mind that feminists rail against teaching girls to protect themselves.  Under no circumstances did Pinky do ANYTHING to deserve those boys threatening her in a very frightening way.  But those boys exist.  They live in our city.  They go to HER school.  They are out there, and while these ones appear to be harmless, some of them won’t be.

Between the school and our house, Pinky has many, many people who know what happened, and to whom she can turn.  She knows now that she should never walk home alone.  She needs to be with friends.  Mr. JB and I have installed a private texting app on all our phones and she is learning to keep us up to date on her whereabouts.  We’re not going to severely restrict her movements to keep her safe, but we are training her to recognize that bad people are out there, as well as many more good, and that there are things she can do to enhance her own security and safety.

The boys are under a school suspension and they have been ordered to never speak to Pinky for any reason.  They are not to go near her, and if they do, THEY will be the ones to have their movements restricted.  If they violate the school’s mini-restraining order, they will be forced to remain in the office after school until an adult comes to escort them home.  I’ll bet that will make mom and dad really happy.

This is still very raw for Pinky, but ultimately I want her to see that the boys were acting like assholes, based on images about men and manhood that they see depicted in the media and culture all around them.  I expect her to gain some compassion for them over time, but never risk her safety by deciding they might be harmless to be around.

They might not be, and she has some responsibility to ensure her own well-being by never trusting those two boys in particular, and by always letting us know where she is.  Pinky is a rather cautious person by nature, so I don’t think that will be a problem.

It makes me absolutely sick to think that twelve year old boys have internalized such awful images of masculinity.  What kind of media are they being exposed to? How are they being parented? I want to meet the parents and take my own evaluation, do my own threat assessment.  When I spoke to the police officers after they had visited the boys at home with their parents, they felt the boys had little comprehension of what they were saying, were remorseful and embarrassed and that the parents were humiliated and angry.  Okay, fair enough.  They should be.  But until I have made my own assessment, I will be walking the kids to and from school.

Ultimately, Pinky is OUR responsibility.  As her parents, Mr. JB and I are ultimately accountable for her safety and well-being. We can teach her that she did not, and never will, deserve to be threatened with rape or any other kind of assault, while still teaching her some street smarts.

That’s not victim-blaming.  It’s victim-preventing.

We won’t be having that meeting with the parents just yet, as it will take very little to provoke Mr. JB into actions he will regret.  At the end of the day, he doesn’t care how those boys have been socialized or what kind of damaging stereotypes they have ingested from popular culture.  They threatened his baby.  And he would rather kill them than allow any harm to come to his daughter.

daddy

I don’t actually think it would hurt those boys to see a little righteous wrath from Pinky’s father.

You can be strong.  You can be powerful.  You can be angry. You can even be violent.  But only when you are doing those things to protect the people you love.  You can be all those things in service to others.

Those boys couldn’t find a better man to emulate than Mr. JB.  At the moment, they will have to observe him from the distance.  Up close, they might find that threatening to hurt a man’s daughter can have some painful consequences.

Lots of love,

JB

107 Responses to “Two little dickwads threaten to gang rape my daughter and have the worst weekend of their lives.”

  1. Viktor April 24, 2013 at 19:46 #

    And you’re so sure that your daughter is not to blame AT ALL because…?
    Let’s see… those boys are 12. They’re just starting to enter puberty. That means, developing their sexuality and stuff. Its natural.
    So when a 11 year old girl comes by and hits on them, flirting with them – even indirectly – it is only natural for them to build a valve for their sexual lust. Maybe she has also provoked them in some way, this would explain their aggressive reaction.

    Yes, your child is already able to feel and develop sexual lust, as much as these boys. Whether you like it or not.

    So tell me again, how can you be so sure that your daughter is NOT to blame? How can you be so sure that she hasn’t provoked them in some kind of way, or flirted with them?

    Maybe you should have talked to your daughter about this before flipping out and calling the police, because 2 young boys apparently either wanted to have a bit of fun, or just felt provoked.
    You’re overreacting.

    • judgybitch April 24, 2013 at 19:57 #

      I’m not sure how you could construe “don’t talk to them and don’t trust them” as flirting…

      She definitely provoked them …. by basically calling them untrustworthy dirtbags.

      Which, it turns out, they were.

      The correct response was for the boys to throw a snowball or call her ugly, neither of which would have gotten much of a response from me.

      But gang rape?

      Nope. I didn’t over react at all.

      • Just a kid April 28, 2013 at 19:06 #

        Total over reaction. A threat from a twelve year old, whether it’s taking lunch money or ejaculating on your corpse, is just a hollow threat. You can change the words with whatever imagination or cultural influence exists, but the concept of a hollow threat is congruent.

        • judgybitch April 28, 2013 at 19:14 #

          Sadly, low income kids report the average age of their first sexual encounter to be 12 years of age.

          http://archive.news.iastate.edu/news/2009/aug/teensex

          Obviously, that doesn’t make them rapists, and the vast majority of them will never even threaten rape because being low-income doesn’t make you a criminal or an asshole.

          I don’t think I was wrong to take the threat seriously, meaning I wanted some information to conduct a threat assessment.

        • Fuzzy Dunlop April 28, 2013 at 19:55 #

          “A threat from a twelve year old, whether it’s taking lunch money or ejaculating on your corpse, is just a hollow threat.”

          Incredibly nai’ive way of thinking. Some 12-year olds are fucking huge and if raised wrong, violent and full of attitude. Hell, some 5-year olds from my daycare would kick the living shit out of the smallest 3rd graders and yell ‘Fuck you faggot!’ after.

          • poester99 April 28, 2013 at 21:46 #

            I agree about the over-reaction. I received and gave many “death” threats when I was that age. I neither fully understood nor had the capacity to make good on the threats and none of the other children ever did, surprise, surprise.

            I bet that is one reason why the US is the world leader that throwing young men in prison?

            Thinking back to 12 years old..
            We never considered making rape threats, it didn’t even reach our consciousness. I think it’s because of the pushing of the the use and contemplation of that word into the mainstream, allegedly as an integral part of masculinity.

            I’ve actually heard my stepdaughter say it once or twice in jest amongst her friends. As long as the word continues to have a real and horrible meaning, I don’t think that this is a good development.

            • X Y Zed April 30, 2013 at 17:08 #

              poester, when I was 12, like you, the word “rape” was also not in my consciousness or vocabularly. Kids are being exposed through our increasingly pornified mainstream media to words and concepts they don’t yet have the maturity to absorb correctly. Its like we are losing all innocence as a culture. And by culture I mean probably almost globally, a globalized pornified culture, “thanks” to the internet’s globaliation and exporting of porn to almost every nook and corner of the planet. So its not just Western Civilization that is being corrupted, we are corrupting the entire planet along with us.

              We can pretty much assume that by mid teens innocence is completely lost. But my god, little kids 12 and under? We shouldn’t tolerate that. But its seems we are.

      • Quinn April 29, 2013 at 08:11 #

        I’m with you on this one, JB. I’d have done exactly the same thing. Except I’d have also pulled the little shits’ arms off.

        In my opinion, you kind of under-reacted.

    • Vanessa April 28, 2013 at 18:07 #

      Firstly, the kid was not flirting (does it suggest anywhere in this writing that she did?). Secondly, no egregious level of flirtation ever warrants or legitimates threats of rape.

    • Dustin Gray May 1, 2013 at 03:43 #

      Little Dude and Pinky were walking home, like many siblings at that age do. How exactly can you warp your mind and say that she is guilty of anything. Sounds to me she acted with a great deal of maturity and acted as any older sibling should. JB and Mr.JB have done a great job, as to the two little bastard’s, well speaking as someone who can remember being a 12 year old boy, I would have gotten my ass tanned with a leather belt had i done anything like that. It is a real shame when parent’s are not allowed to discipline their children. I hope the parent’s of these kid’s take stock of the situation they are in and act accordingly.

  2. Navian April 27, 2013 at 00:23 #

    Disturbing? Yes. But why is everyone so shocked. It sounds like a couple of 12 year olds acting “Gangsta” hey the chicks usually dig it. They are acting out what is cool. They are also internalizing self hate as black and male (cocks blown off as humor) I do not claim to know how the best way to turn them around,hopefully their families will wake up, focus and work on preventing them from ruin and the hurting of others. Having said that, any adult actually assaulting 12 years old would also be facing some hardcore Irish fury.

  3. Theo P. April 27, 2013 at 17:59 #

    Your response seemed a smidge extreme to me at first, but they were beyond the pale in a way that’s a little too spot-on. I hope as you do that they take the right lesson from this.

    It’s funny how we can react to basically the same stimulus in very different ways. The sane thing to do when entering a high-risk area is to make yourself the smallest target possible.

    Exempla Gratis: even though everybody who touches the mail is an employee of the Postal Service, and there are strict, federal laws against tampering with the mail, people still steal cash from envelopes all the time.
    Sane Response: you don’t send cash in the mail. Either use a “security guard”–a check or money order requires a face-to-face interaction and a secondary act of fraud to profit from–or AT LEAST cover up–put the cash in a security envelope and wrap it in a piece of paper. Thieves are visual responders. They can’t steal what they can’t see. If you send cash in the mail, and a mail worker steals it, everyone from the average Joe to law enforcement will call you a dumbass and leave it at that.

    But somehow, when it comes to protecting your sexuality in a far harsher and virtually unregulated environment, the exact opposite rules should apply? We all knew that slutwalking was a completely insane response, but a relatable point of comparison really throws that into light.

  4. X Y Zed April 29, 2013 at 20:00 #

    Fifth grade boys?! I had not idea what gang rape was in the fifth grade, nor any idea about drugs.

    “WHY WOULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING? ”

    That’s easy. Our media and pop culture. The radio, the TV, the internet, movies, you name it, violence in general and sexual violence in general are all over it, now more than ever.

    Children are not only sexualized at ever increasing younger ages but they are violently sexualized, meaning their idea of sex is no longer romantic love making with the girl/guy you have a crush on but engaging in violent sexual acts.

    Thankyou porn industry!

    And by porn industry I mean mainstream media because our mainstream media has been completely pornified.

    The only 2 points here I do not understand are the “high liability” of the school and
    “My second call was to the police, who took the threats very seriously, and once I identified the kids as being part of a particularly troubled social group, they moved my case to top priority and dispatched officers to take statements from the kids. ”

    1. How or why would the school be liable for the off campus behaviour of students and
    2. Do you think if these kids were not identified as being a part of a “particularly troubled social group” or if they in fact had not been part of that group, that the police would still move the case to top priority?

  5. X Y Zed April 29, 2013 at 20:11 #

    Good world JB

    • X Y Zed April 29, 2013 at 20:16 #

      I meant good work. And the great thing is – this is community action. These kids are seeing community in action. People who have each others backs. Although I get why posters think calling the police is extreme, the cops used their heads and hearts and instead of criminalizing or felonizing these kids, just gave them a visit and a serious talking to. That scare will make an impression on these boys’ brains and they will think twice before acting out of pocket from here on out.

      This is what kids sometimes need – a good scaring.

      Now, were they really in possesion of crack or just faking it?

      “It makes me absolutely sick to think that twelve year old boys have internalized such awful images of masculinity. What kind of media are they being exposed to?”

      Hip hop. Which you said you were a huge fan of.

      • judgybitch April 29, 2013 at 20:21 #

        You mean like this:

        Nas. I Can.

        I know I can (I know I can)
        Be what I wanna be (be what I wanna be)
        If I work hard at it (If I work hard at it)
        I’ll be where I wanna be (I’ll be where I wanna be)

        Be, B-Boys and girls, listen up
        You can be anything in the world, in God we trust
        An architect, doctor, maybe an actress
        But nothing comes easy it takes much practice
        Like, I met a woman who’s becoming a star
        She was very beautiful, leaving people in awe
        Singing songs, Lina Horn, but the younger version
        Hung with the wrong person
        Got her strung on that
        Heroin, cocaine, sniffin up drugs all in her nose…
        Coulda died, so young, now looks ugly and old
        No fun cause now when she reaches for hugs people hold they breath
        Cause she smells of corrosion and death
        Watch the company you keep and the crowd you bring
        Cause they came to do drugs and you came to sing
        So if you gonna be the best, I’ma tell you how,
        Put your hands in the air, and take a vow

  6. X Y Zed April 29, 2013 at 20:37 #

    “good parents are 90 percent of the equation. ”

    Don’t agree. Its closer to 50 %. In Western society youth are more influenced by their peers and mass media than by their familial elders.

    I had great, morally upright parents but I still did a few immoral, riskly, borderline illegal things in my teens. And I was a mild nerdy type and voted most individualistic in my high school graduation year book.

    Had nothing to do with my parents and everything to do with my peers and the pop culture I was exposed to, especially the music scene, even though peer pressure was no where near the factor in my “individualistic” life as it was in the lives of the popular sheeple kids.

    “Heroin, cocaine, sniffin up drugs all in her nose”

    You really think this line doesn’t stand out to kids listening to this stuff?

    Even so called “conscious hip hop” where they are criticizing bad behaviour, young kids just hear the bad behaviour. Like I said, when I was 11 and 12 I had no idea what cocaine and heroin was but if I were listen to the above type music, I would have.
    Even though “bitch” and “ho” are referring to actual mean women and real prostitutes who turn tricks, the entire culture now refers to regular women as bitch and ho.

    Our culture has lost its innocence and grace.

    If you don’t want your kids growing up to be unecessarily aggressive then don’t expose them to unnecessarily aggressive media.

    Its enough that on the school campus and in the streets they will be exposed to our degenerate mass media created for the collective mass mind, so why not make the home a sanctuary of peace, positivity and high culture?

  7. X Y Zed April 29, 2013 at 20:49 #

    I also wonder if they had threatened a girl from their own ethnic community if the police would have sprung to action or just written it off as something minor.

    I mean, I do think you did the right thing, and I think the cops did the right thing. I would just hope they would do the right thing if the scenario was like I posited above too.

  8. Laceagate April 30, 2013 at 01:57 #

    JB, regardless of whether or not anyone thinks you “overreacted,” the truth is no actions are bereft of responsibility. Your daughter was right in alerting you to what happened, as her younger brother was present, and you were within your rights to contact the school, police, and other sources to ensure that her safety would not be jeopardized.

    I said before that no actions are bereft of responsibility. These boys needed to learn what the consequences of their actions were. They were under the impression that they could continue to get away with it because the other girls didn’t say anything. It was unintentional positive reinforcement. Now I hope they hopefully know better, but it’s because they’ve learned what the consequences are– and they are serious. But it shouldn’t have gotten to this point and needed to be addressed earlier. For all we know, it could have been due to the previous girls thinking adults would say they were “overreacting.”

    When we live under the impression that a parent is “overreacting” to his or her daughter’s peers threatening rape, we shouldn’t be surprised that children around the same age and younger are toting guns and demanding adults to get out of their cars, or throwing violent fits at school and then need to get arrested, or are walking up to adults and threatening to mug them.

    Quite frankly, you did the right thing considering even the liberals use sources like this to back up their claims. Overreacting? Ha! Not even.

  9. TheMalesOfGames April 30, 2013 at 02:14 #

    It amazes me that people consider your actions to be an overreaction. It was exactly the right response. These weren’t two kids threatening your son and daughter with the threat of being beaten up, which, while bad, definitely would’ve called for a lesser response. Maybe that would’ve been the time to send “Mr. JB, JudgyAsshole and BigMike” to have a quiet word. However, your children were threatened with two very serious crimes and you had no way of knowing if they intended to follow through or not.

    A suspension and a visit from the police is the perfect way to put the fear of God into those two twelve-year-old boys. To know that what they’re doing has repercussions and isn’t just a harmless chuckle. That, incidentally, is why I think they did what they did. It sounds like they haven’t been taught any better. I doubt they’ve had anything close to that level of punishment for their actions and that can scare any twelve-year-old from a good home straight. Let’s see if they do it again.

    Oh, and from what little I know about Mr. JB, I don’t think he’d have harmed those kids. I’d have been as furious as him but if I was face-to-face with them? I doubt I’d hurt them.

  10. X Y Zed April 30, 2013 at 17:02 #

    ” When I spoke to the police officers after they had visited the boys at home with their parents, they felt the boys had little comprehension of what they were saying…”

    This is my point wrt media like music that kids are exposed to. They don’t have clear ideas about what they are seeing or hearing, but if they see and hear it enough, continuously over years as their brains are developing, the violent lyrics and images create patterns. This is why I’m extremely careful of what I expose my kids to in our home. I know I can’t completely control what they get exposed to outside of it, but at least when they walk through our doors, the sights and sounds they will be downloading into their brains are of a high quality.

    Since they hear chatter, chatter, chatter, when they are on the outside engaging with other people and media, in our home I make sure they get to hear the beauty of instrumental music sans chatter lyrics.

    Another thing is that the Manosphere of course sees this situation as nothing more than a “feminazi” mom teaching her spoiled little princess that “all males are potential rapists”. They think you should have let it go because “boys will be boys” and boys are harmless innocent little angels, all of them. Somehow its always feminism’s fault, if not women’s fault in general.

    • Bellion May 5, 2013 at 01:58 #

      {Another thing is that the Manosphere of course sees this situation as nothing more than a “feminazi” mom teaching her spoiled little princess that “all males are potential rapists”. They think you should have let it go because “boys will be boys” and boys are harmless innocent little angels, all of them. Somehow its always feminism’s fault, if not women’s fault in general.}

      Gonna have to call BS on that one. From what I gather, most of the manosphere advocates teaching people how they can defend themselves from situations like rape and assault, rather than state “all X are innocent” (opposed to all X are potential and should be treated as such). I’d seriously doubt you’d be able to find very many people with the viewpoint you’ve just laid out. Most sensible people would agree with the actions taken by JB, although there might be a bit of debate about the extent.

  11. LC April 30, 2013 at 17:19 #

    I don’t think you overreacted. Threatening to break into a young girl’s house and rape her is a serious threat. And it’s even more heinous that they’re so young and have already been thinking about doing this sort of thing. Better safe than sorry. I know when I was in kindergarten, some 5th grade boys beat me up on the school bus on the first day of school. My Dad spent a lot of time teaching me how to defend myself, and when they came after me again, it wasn’t pleasant for them. It’s not like these kids were going to leave your daughter alone after that threat. Bullies only up the ante if they’re not confronted.

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