Updated to add:
I have banned the Professor from commenting further, which he will no doubt construe as me being an MRA FAGGOT COWARD CENSOR GIRL HIDING BEHIND MOMMY’S KEYBOARD, but in actual fact, I banned him for refusing to show me the same consideration I showed him. I was polite, pleasant and refrained from name-calling or attacking his supporters when I was on his platform. He refused to do the same for me. That tells me pretty much all I need to know. No one will debate this person because he’s a jerk, with no respect for other people. Odd quality for someone who claims to be an expert in “social relationships”.
Okay, here is the link. It’s two and half hours long, but it took a long, long, long time for any actual issues to get under way. Literally, the first hour is Manhood Academy expressing his outrage that he has been banned from both /mensrights/reddit and AVfM, (and other MRA sites, I think) for trolling and spamming. I am not familiar with why he was banned, what led to the banning, and I certainly cannot speak for what motivated Paul Elam or anyone else to ban him, since I played no part in it, nor have I ever heard the issue discussed.
I’m also not sure why my voice was altered, and I gave written permission to use my identity, but that’s a quibble. It’s too bad you can’t see a visual, because I attended the live video debate with my hair done, subtle makeup and in a pink shirt, and of course, I was in my kitchen – I signaled a very feminine persona. At some point we discussed how digit ratios can indicate in utero exposure to sex hormones, and he didn’t seem aware of this research. Definitely an interesting area of research. While I agree 100% that there are broad trends/characteristics specific to each gender, there are also men who are more on the feminine side and women who are on the more masculine side (many feminists have masculine traits), and I would like to see a culture that makes room for everyone, without shame or blame.
I have not seen any other Manhood Academy debates, but apparently, he is renowned for eliciting strong emotional reactions in his opponents, and causing what he calls ‘a ragequit‘. I lasted two and half hours, and kept the entire ‘debate’ (it was more like a conversation) on a pretty even keel. For those who understand gynocentrism, you’ll see exactly what I did.
Manhood Academy’s central ‘issues’ with men’s rights is that he opposes our top down approach to addressing legal, social and cultural issues, and prefers his own grassroots approach, which begins with training individuals. When I suggested he needed a critical mass of trained individuals in order to affect any high order results, he became very agitated, so I refocused on keeping the conversation civil. At one point he called me an ‘airhead’ and there were several very sexually explicit questions that I believe I handled with good humor and aplomb. At one point, during feedback, one observer suggested they run a ‘rape train’ on me. It was meant as a compliment and I took no offense (yes, you can use rape trains to convey admiration), but in terms of the gynocentric response, it was a telling moment. That happens right at the very end.
I ended the debate by suggesting that Manhood Academy should consider the fact that feminine, compliant women can still be very dangerous, and suggested that perhaps a lot of his critics have experience with these women, which is why they reject his message. When a woman is feminine and submissive, it does not mean a man controls her, and it is dangerous and naive to think the appearance of submission is submission. Submissive, feminine women have always used their femininity to mask aggression, because it’s historically our best way to strike out, and still survive. Elizabeth Poole Sandford wrote a terrific essay on this subject, in 1835!
Manhood did not agree with me, so I suggested our next debate be called Lady Macbeth.
Overall, it was a pleasant conversation and a pleasant experience, and honestly, Manhood Academy’s ebook is worth a read. He takes apart feminism perfectly, and most of his observations are spot on with regards to men and women. But there is a big flaw, if indeed, he does not think passive, feminine women have the potential to destroy men. Passive, feminine women are the most dangerous women of all, I would argue, because the victim doesn’t even realize he’s being manipulated until it’s far too late.
The video does not permit comments, but you can comment here. I’m interested in your thoughts. Even if you only listen to the last 5 minutes, which is when I discuss the powers and dangers of feminine women.
Lots of love,